Its smooth! And we are getting 6 runs I say we stick with it, I am just curious who is in who is out?
Full Version: The new run order and the 3 month trial
Well Mike and Bert its been 3 months. I was not really in favour of the run order change, but I have to give to you I like the system Its smooth! And we are getting 6 runs I say we stick with it, I am just curious who is in who is out?
Its smooth! And we are getting 6 runs I say we stick with it, I am just curious who is in who is out?
Unfortunately I was not able to attend this last event. However, after attending 3 or so events with the run order, it has alot of potential once the kinks are worked out.
I am in favor using the new run order from now on. Hopefully I can attend the next meeting to cast my vote.
I am in favor using the new run order from now on. Hopefully I can attend the next meeting to cast my vote.
This run-order system has my vote.
My vote as well. The only suggestion I have is to make a flier that explains it, and have copies at registration. For most people, seeing/reading is the preferred method of learning, not listening afterall. We're always trying to start on time, so cutting out 5-10 minutes of the drivers meeting will help that.
I like the fact that we've been getting in six runs lately, but think that low-turnout events and short courses are most of what is responsible this. If it was up to me, we'd have an event with really short course and the old run order before voting.
QUOTE (JoeyM @ Jul 9 2006, 03:59 PM)
I like the fact that we've been getting in six runs lately, but think that low-turnout events and short courses are most of what is responsible this. If it was up to me, we'd have an event with really short course and the old run order before voting.
How does that help????You can get MAXIMUM 4 runs at an event IF you have enough workers for 4 heats with the old system. Remember also that you need a minumum of 3 people per station as they have to run during the heat also. The last 3 events would have been marginal if you could have had more than 3 competition runs. The new run order system gives you the flexiblitly to have as many or few runs as needed.
82 isn't exactly a LOW turnout. About 95 is the norm...let's do the math:
13 more drivers x (27 sec run - 8 second overlap) x 6 runs / 60 seconds/min = 24.7 minutes
So we would have added an extra 25 minutes on which isn't that much at all. The low turnout only made a good exit time into a great one.
13 more drivers x (27 sec run - 8 second overlap) x 6 runs / 60 seconds/min = 24.7 minutes
So we would have added an extra 25 minutes on which isn't that much at all. The low turnout only made a good exit time into a great one.
I am not saying we had a low turnout. I think is the norm for the summer. What I was saying was that it was lower than I expected. There were quite a few other people that said they were coming at did not. I could name 10 right off the top of my hat, so to speak. I think the foul weather on friday, coupled with the potential for rain on saturday scared so people away, which was fine by me. I like these lower turn outs.
And you are right that a few more drivers wouldn't have impacted anything too much. Imagaine if we had got started on time AND the first heat had been sent at the same intervals as the rest. The first heat was basically sent one car at a time.
We could have had a 100 drivers and been done by 3:00 easily.
What I have heard, and this might be brought up at the board meeting, is that they want to see this run order run with a LONG course. We have run the other run system for 30 + years I would guess. I have no idea. I just hear the reasoning for it (the old lot conditions) and those don't exist anymore. We did run this system back in December at the non points event, but it was not a fair trial. The course was extremely long (60+ seconds) and had no room for two cars at a time. It was also the first time, and people were just utlerly confused. No signs, no colors, etc. I have no problem running this system with any kind of course. If we don't make up alot of time over the other method, we at least get done earlier with the same number of runs. But the potential is there to have more runs always, and it doesn't have to be made (the call) until after the first two heats are completed. I.e. run 2 in the morning, and if we are running late, only run one in the afternoon. Or 2 in the afternoon. Or 3 in the afternoon if we are ahead of schedule. No one working in the last two heats is going to complain about having to work 15 minutes longer than the first 2 heats if it gets them another run.
The fact of the matter is that you have to commit to one system or the other. People would be too confused if everytime it was a long course that didn't net any additional runs, that we run the old system, and when it is a short course, we run the new system.
It won't work.
And you are right that a few more drivers wouldn't have impacted anything too much. Imagaine if we had got started on time AND the first heat had been sent at the same intervals as the rest. The first heat was basically sent one car at a time.
We could have had a 100 drivers and been done by 3:00 easily.What I have heard, and this might be brought up at the board meeting, is that they want to see this run order run with a LONG course. We have run the other run system for 30 + years I would guess. I have no idea. I just hear the reasoning for it (the old lot conditions) and those don't exist anymore. We did run this system back in December at the non points event, but it was not a fair trial. The course was extremely long (60+ seconds) and had no room for two cars at a time. It was also the first time, and people were just utlerly confused. No signs, no colors, etc. I have no problem running this system with any kind of course. If we don't make up alot of time over the other method, we at least get done earlier with the same number of runs. But the potential is there to have more runs always, and it doesn't have to be made (the call) until after the first two heats are completed. I.e. run 2 in the morning, and if we are running late, only run one in the afternoon. Or 2 in the afternoon. Or 3 in the afternoon if we are ahead of schedule. No one working in the last two heats is going to complain about having to work 15 minutes longer than the first 2 heats if it gets them another run.
The fact of the matter is that you have to commit to one system or the other. People would be too confused if everytime it was a long course that didn't net any additional runs, that we run the old system, and when it is a short course, we run the new system.
It won't work.
QUOTE (00TORCHCOUPE @ Jul 9 2006, 07:02 PM)
I am not saying we had a low turnout. I think is the norm for the summer. What I was saying was that it was lower than I expected. There were quite a few other people that said they were coming at did not. I could name 10 right off the top of my hat, so to speak. I think the foul weather on friday, coupled with the potential for rain on saturday scared so people away, which was fine by me. I like these lower turn outs.
And you are right that a few more drivers wouldn't have impacted anything too much. Imagaine if we had got started on time AND the first heat had been sent at the same intervals as the rest. The first heat was basically sent one car at a time. We could have had a 100 drivers and been done by 3:00 easily.
What I have heard, and this might be brought up at the board meeting, is that they want to see this run order run with a LONG course. We have run the other run system for 30 + years I would guess. I have no idea. I just hear the reasoning for it (the old lot conditions) and those don't exist anymore. We did run this system back in December at the non points event, but it was not a fair trial. The course was extremely long (60+ seconds) and had no room for two cars at a time. It was also the first time, and people were just utlerly confused. No signs, no colors, etc. I have no problem running this system with any kind of course. If we don't make up alot of time over the other method, we at least get done earlier with the same number of runs. But the potential is there to have more runs always, and it doesn't have to be made (the call) until after the first two heats are completed. I.e. run 2 in the morning, and if we are running late, only run one in the afternoon. Or 2 in the afternoon. Or 3 in the afternoon if we are ahead of schedule. No one working in the last two heats is going to complain about having to work 15 minutes longer than the first 2 heats if it gets them another run.
The fact of the matter is that you have to commit to one system or the other. People would be too confused if everytime it was a long course that didn't net any additional runs, that we run the old system, and when it is a short course, we run the new system. It won't work.
And you are right that a few more drivers wouldn't have impacted anything too much. Imagaine if we had got started on time AND the first heat had been sent at the same intervals as the rest. The first heat was basically sent one car at a time.
We could have had a 100 drivers and been done by 3:00 easily.What I have heard, and this might be brought up at the board meeting, is that they want to see this run order run with a LONG course. We have run the other run system for 30 + years I would guess. I have no idea. I just hear the reasoning for it (the old lot conditions) and those don't exist anymore. We did run this system back in December at the non points event, but it was not a fair trial. The course was extremely long (60+ seconds) and had no room for two cars at a time. It was also the first time, and people were just utlerly confused. No signs, no colors, etc. I have no problem running this system with any kind of course. If we don't make up alot of time over the other method, we at least get done earlier with the same number of runs. But the potential is there to have more runs always, and it doesn't have to be made (the call) until after the first two heats are completed. I.e. run 2 in the morning, and if we are running late, only run one in the afternoon. Or 2 in the afternoon. Or 3 in the afternoon if we are ahead of schedule. No one working in the last two heats is going to complain about having to work 15 minutes longer than the first 2 heats if it gets them another run.
The fact of the matter is that you have to commit to one system or the other. People would be too confused if everytime it was a long course that didn't net any additional runs, that we run the old system, and when it is a short course, we run the new system.
It won't work.You, my friend, are a GENIUS!
I have to put my vote in for the new system. Even though Im on street tires...I like the back-to-back runs. It helps you use what you learned from the previous run...
I have only run twice with MSSC at Tavares, once under each system, and I felt the new system was easier to understand than the old one. I guess you all will be seeing more of the GT3 since IRCC is gone and I need a place to play with a nice group of people 
Peter
Peter
I'm not a MSCC member...but I really like the new run order system, the two BIG positives are not having to leave your work station to make a run and being able to get more runs in vs. the old system.
I worked staging in heat 3 I think it was.
The only issues I experienced were a couple novices who lined up after their first run on the wrong side (same side they began on) and one novice who showed up before his color group was called. Also, people still kind of conga'd up to me even though I was trying to make it obvious I was walking back towards the waiting cars to give them the signal to head up to the starting area.
I think all the new system needs is a clear, concise explanation, perhaps on a hand out that can be picked up/given out at registration and some permanent signage. Something like "entrance" for the middle road and then similar signs to what Mikael made at the "Y" - one sign pointing to the left and one sign pointing to the right that lists the color and run (these will be maintained by the staging people as a run group progresses through their runs, and the second run group is called to stage).
Also, I suggest 3 experienced people in staging, one directing traffic coming down the middle lane, one sending cars up from each side and one directing traffic at the starting line area.
I worked staging in heat 3 I think it was.
The only issues I experienced were a couple novices who lined up after their first run on the wrong side (same side they began on) and one novice who showed up before his color group was called. Also, people still kind of conga'd up to me even though I was trying to make it obvious I was walking back towards the waiting cars to give them the signal to head up to the starting area.
I think all the new system needs is a clear, concise explanation, perhaps on a hand out that can be picked up/given out at registration and some permanent signage. Something like "entrance" for the middle road and then similar signs to what Mikael made at the "Y" - one sign pointing to the left and one sign pointing to the right that lists the color and run (these will be maintained by the staging people as a run group progresses through their runs, and the second run group is called to stage).
Also, I suggest 3 experienced people in staging, one directing traffic coming down the middle lane, one sending cars up from each side and one directing traffic at the starting line area.
I also like the new format. It seems to combine the features I liked about the old Martin system and the one used by "the other guys".
Like the old system, you still have time to socialize and ride with other people. However, with the new system, you get to make back to back runs and you don't have to leave your work station to make a run. And, best of all, it avoids what I don't like about "the other guys" since you get a morning and afternoon run group. More runs is just icing on the cake.
My vote is for keeping the new system.
Like the old system, you still have time to socialize and ride with other people. However, with the new system, you get to make back to back runs and you don't have to leave your work station to make a run. And, best of all, it avoids what I don't like about "the other guys" since you get a morning and afternoon run group. More runs is just icing on the cake.
My vote is for keeping the new system.
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